I've been in healthcare for more years than I'd like to admit I started working for chiropractors when I was 16.

It was Swedish massage and like you said it does feel good but working with chiropractors they're very much intent on cause and effect and I really like to get to the cause of problems and I knew that Swedish massage was not what I was looking for.

So while I was in massage school, I found the St. John neuromuscular methods and this was back in the 90s. And I was doing that while I was in massage school.

 At the same time. So you were fully immersed in just jumping through this. - Up to my eyeballs, yes. I had a complete insurance pretty much practice for many years.

Got a lot of referrals from medical doctors, wrote a lot of reports, did a lot of clinical massage that was very effective with the neuromuscular.

And, you know, David was a neuromuscular therapist before he started with his own technique. Part of it was because he blew his thumbs out, which happens with men because they do too much pressure often.

Yes, you know, they hurt themselves. So he, you know, he started this to, you know, be able to give himself some treatment options, which is certainly with no thumbs,
that is definitely an option.

Many therapists ruin their thumbs quickly by doing too much pressure and doing it improperly. And the close I, my practice,
insurance practice was pretty much closed on.

I put them in tube tops and shorts. So I still had enough to, if I needed to get to skin, I could move it around,
but it was not a whole lot of draping.

I could get them up. I could put them back down. I could do most anything with them because they were covered. So that's what I did for many years.

I have, I have a half and half practice now. I still do clinical massage. I've been in practice now for 30 years. So I have many people,
many old people, many people older than me. And they really like the soothing massage. And then I have some that I use the clinical massage onto.

So I have, you know, a mixture of both. You know, it's fascinating because you, you, you know, you adopted this really early on into the whole process.

And, and that's wonderful. And Julie actually has a similar story. You started really young, didn't you, Julie? I did. I signed up for school when I was in high school.

Because I wasn't a doctor. I was kind of obsessed with, in fact, on my spare time, I would literally read medical terminology books.

I didn't really like the spa stuff. I didn't really like the idea of just rubbing oil on people and giving a relaxing massage. Although, of course, we all do a fair share of that.

So right away, I actually was in a mix with Barbara and David doing neuromuscular therapy, working with doctors. And I actually decided not to be a doctor, getting into massage as a business and as a profession, I like spending more time with people.

I like the whole idea of assessing and treating and building this relationship and their wellness where you're seeing someone for many years and for a longer session than the five minutes the doctor would spend with you.

And then in my own personal life, massage has been amazing in my own health issue. And so yeah, just the medical aspect, the clinical aspect of massage I've always been obsessed with.

I've always been a student of. So this curriculum, the neuromuscular base that David's put this through, it's not unfamiliar to me and it fits perfectly with the education that I have to be able to offer this same education.

We're certainly happy to have you. I come to this as a client because I've had four neck surgeries, disc replacements and enormous amounts of of my scalings and, you know, searched really hard for trigger point acupuncture and massage therapists who could,
you know, who understood.

And I moved to Maui and I was introduced just casually to David Marin and I had a session with him and it was,
you know, I cried.

He understood what I was going through and and was able to make a difference for me.

And so few therapists were able to do that. And I just recognized that that that was a very very special and a very very important skill set.

And that David was a teacher and I'm an education producer and it was just a match made in heaven to be able to take David's entire curriculum, 40 years, he and Juanita, 40 years of putting together finding everything that works and putting it together in a package with the entire clinical environment of assessments and record-keeping and keeping track, Julie, like you said, working with people over time for their well-being. You know, that's the best application in my mind for these skills.

And that's what these programs are really all about. It's an entire package of clinical medical massage, whichever you want to call it.

That's what this whole program is dedicated towards being able to give you, as a therapist, so that you can do what Barbara does,
you can do what Julie does, you can do what David and Juanita have been doing for all these years, and have a significant impact on your clients and relationships as a community caregiver, as a healer within your community.